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Manly cleared of any wrongdoing after ASADA meeting

nadyone

nadyone

The Manly Warringah Sea Eagles have been told by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) that none of the Club’s players, past or present, have tested positive to illegal performance enhancing substances.
Sea Eagles officials, including Club chairman Scott Penn and General Manager Dave Perry attended a meeting today with ASADA and Tony Whitlam QC, who heads the new NRL integrity unit.

“ASADA outlined to Manly and five other NRL clubs the processes it is undertaking as part of its on-going investigation into the use of banned substances in Australian sport,” Mr Perry said.
“We will continue to assist ASADA in its investigation.
“Confidentiality precludes the Sea Eagles from discussing details of that investigation.”

Mr Perry said that Manly had waited until 9.30am today to announce publicly it was named in the Australian Crime Commission report to ensure Mr Penn could brief the full playing squad.
“We thought it only fair that the players be briefed by the Club Chairman before talking to the media,” Mr Perry said.
“Again I must emphasise the Sea Eagles condemn unreservedly any use of illegal performance-enhancing substances by players.”

http://www.seaeagles.com.au/news-display/Sea-Eagles-statement-after-ASADA-meeting/68291 
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nadyone

nadyone

Ah, no. I'm referring to what the ACC publicly stated. That a single persons statement to them is deemed "evidence" & is therefore enough to charge a player or players. I didn't say anything about convictions. A sworn affidavit is too easy to fake & should not be enough in any court of law to gain a conviction. If tests come up negative or inconclusive, then a "sworn testimony" is irrelevant & therefore not substantial enough to hold any weight in any argument or be considered sufficient enough to warrant a conviction. Read up on everything the ACC has stated before you get on your high horse. Also, Lance Armstrong returned plenty of positive test results for doping. They were just covered up. 
professional

professional

Absolute hearsay. He was revealed as a drug cheat without a single positive drug test as evidence. Whether you believe he tested positive or not is utterly irrelevant. USADA didn't need drug tests to prove their case. 
nadyone

nadyone

I'm simply going on what was released by the ACC.

Also, it's not that I think testimonies should carry no weight. It's just that as far as I'm concerned, unless doping can be confirmed via tests, then a conviction should not follow. You can have 20 people saying Player X used PEDs, but unless the player returns a positive test, stiff shit to the Prosecution.

The fact that Peptides do not show up in any current tests is just perfect for ASADA & the ACC.
If I was a bigot in a wig & the Prosecution for ASADA & the ACC came into my courtroom & said, "Look, we've got X number of players testifying that X number of players have used Peptides, but, here's the thing. We only have their testimony on the matter, we can't actually physically prove it."
I'd laugh them out of court.

This investigation is a joke & shouldn't have been conducted until they had better screening tests that actually show up the presence of Peptides.

Wayne Bennett said it perfectly when he said, "What do we have to confess to?" 
professional

professional

Again, it's good that we have more reasonable and learned people running our courts. If the testimonies are consistent and stand up to examination then they should carry a lot of weight; witness statements and affadavits are a fundamental part of the legal system. Your view on the necessity of positive tests is just a cognitive bias (which is reasonably common these days) towards statistics or science. 
Hancock02

Hancock02

I can't resist it anymore.

- Peptides aren't illegal. Legal in powder/tablet form, illegal (under WADA) if used IV to increase growth hormone outlet.

- Just because you fail a test under WADA or ASADA doesn't mean you're going to jail. I have no idea why people keep talking about jail. Very few people go to jail because most things on the banned list aren't illegal. WADA and ASADA review their banned list on the 1st of January every year and add and take things off.

Some examples of banned drugs that are perfectly legal- Peptides and diuretics. Caffine was on the banned list until recently. Performance enhacing doesn't equal illegal- Courts couldn't care less, you do your ban and no one else legally cares.

-Peptides can be tested for, it's plain illinformed to say they can't be. They can't be detected with one off urine tests, they can be found with consistent blood tests. Four athletes are currently suspended for peptide use in Australia and none tested positive though.

- A positive test is not needed to be banned, Armstrong and Jones never tested positive they're the two biggest drug cheats of the last 30 years, although Jones' A sample did in 2006 but not her B sample so she was clear. The evidence they had against them was enough to force them to confess, if evidence carried no weight why would it force people to give up their life? They mount huge cases against these people and bring them down. They knew the gig was up and the evidence and testimony against them was huge.

- They were stripped of all titles without a single test being returned positive. In Armstrong's case the evidence and investigation was so overwhelming he was stripped before he confessed.

The investigation is huge and the only people demanding action now or saying it is nothing are on the outer, listen to the people who have some inner briefings like Annesley who still wouldn't be inner sanctum and he uses words like scared after being told some of what is going down. Bennett doesn't need to know what's going on it's none of his business yet. 
professional

professional

Yeah, my constant references to the justice system aren't meant to be taken literally; nobody is going to go to jail or get convicted for PED use. I just mean that any investigation by ASADA or WADA follows the same basis as our legal system, which is that you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt. That can be done with positive tests (which is obviously the most straightforward method) but evidence can be collected in other ways too. 
bandwagon

bandwagon

Also bear in mind a ban can be tested in court, regardless of criminality. 
professional

professional

Yeah, exactly. ASADA might not go through the courts to ban a player but a player can challenge it. Which means if ASADA are going to ban anyone they are going to make sure that their evidence would stand up in a court. I can't see them relying on the testimony of one person (as Nady is suggesting they would). 
nadyone

nadyone

You mean that we have experts who studied law at Uni to learn how to twist it so it suits them.
Witness statements & affidavits can be coached so everything marries up perfectly. Whether it's 2 or 20 different people. It comes down to hearsay & conjecture.

The naive one is you for actually thinking that the legal system is without fault & everything said in court is the Gods honest truth. Well, hat's how you're coming across. 
Morkel

Morkel

What took you so long? 
Marcus1979

Marcus1979

Did you guys hear how Kate Lundy won't be attending the season launch.

Paints every sports player in the country with the same brush and then walks off into the horizon without a sense of remorse. 
professional

professional

Who said it was perfect? I'm not naive about the shortcomings of the legal system.

But I'm also not trying to pre-emptively come up with excuses because I think a player from my team could be busted for PEDs soon. 
IMASHADOW

IMASHADOW

The sun might be shining on Manly as a club but just wait until individual players are named. 
nadyone

nadyone

I highly doubt any players will be named. Let alone any from Manly. 
professional

professional

:lol: 
nadyone

nadyone

It was in the paper roughly 2 weeks ago. I'm not going to hold your hand & find it for you, you're an adult, find it yourself. 
Hancock02

Hancock02

Hell of a rumour regarding Manly going around. 
SaintAnger

SaintAnger

what is it? 
Hancock02

Hancock02

It's huge. 
BringbackBRL

BringbackBRL

Kick them out. 
SaintAnger

SaintAnger

Not the kind of personal info I was after, but thanks for the heads up 
professional

professional

It isn't there. It is not a matter of holding my hand. I think you are flat out lying right now. 
Marcus1979

Marcus1979

What's the rumor Hank? Can you PM me :lol: 
BringbackBRL

BringbackBRL

10 inches. 
Goodsy

Goodsy

Looks like those rumours... truths... about me are really starting to circulate :8 
nadyone

nadyone

Courier Mail. Daily Telegraph. 

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