Says There sustained a back injury and that it will be racing in Caulfield in 2 weeks before they assess if it goes to dubai or not.
I would hate to think it but anyone early on thinking Miss Finland ran it too far broke the horse's heart. The question remains is it the same horse it used to be and how long until we witness its first win. Last 4 starts all unplaced i know he is a champion i just want to see him bounce back well with a jockey on him that rides him in a winning position not 4 wide the whole race.
Weekend Hustler: What can we say a Champion or a Great Horse.This is a discussion that I will open up on this forum.
Firstly I would like to say a Great Horse all his goods wins were when he was 3yo and when it was those famous two letters EI Spring Carnival.
Don't get me wrong I think The Hustler is a horse is good for racing that brings people to the course,and I know he did win races in Sydney against Racing To Win,Triple Honour and a great 2nd to Desert War over the 2000m at Randwick.
Maybe he is a horse that just hasn't come up from his 3yo days he will not the first and he will not be the last.The trainer always seems to blame the rider when he gets beaten now or a excuse,he didn't mention any of this when the same jockey Brad Rawiller was riding and winning all his 3yo races.
Maybe Ross should never raced him past 2000m a la Caulfield Cup when everybody was saying he will not stay and now we are seeing this is what happens when you go to the well once to often .
Don't get me wrong I loved it to when the caller would say he come the hustler.
Last but not least please don't mention him in the same breathe as Kingston Town,Sunline and Makybe Diva when year after year these 3 produced everytime they raced.
That is my say on THE HUSTLER.
P.S: I would love the Bank Balance for his winnings though.
Case of Time will tell.
Champions are Kingston Town, Sunline, Tulloch - the word gets used a bit too often. The Champion label comes out pretty quick, and that leads to the heavy public fall when things don't pan out. There will be a new "Champion" after the Blue Diamond this weekend, and after the Slipper, and after the Guinees, and the Derby, and the etc etc etc.
A horse like Octagonal was a champ because he beat Saintly, Nuthin Leica Dane etc. So we can ask who did Hussler beat to reach greatness - he can only beat who he faces.
Definately a GREAT horse though....back-to-back sprint G1's in Melb, back-to-back G1's in Syd. I am a fan, no question, and I don't care if he fades away, it was great fun watching those couple of seasons, hearing the bold predictions, and generally watching him run well. Hussler and Ross were the good news story during that spring.
Maybe Ross pushed him too far, and the EI will be mentioned, there will be knockers.
Definately one of my recent faves though, no doubt.
Incidently, I think Nothin Leica Dane ran a place in the Melb Cup as a 3yo, and never won again - pushed too far as well perhaps and broke it's heart, along the lines of ajw89w's earlier post.
ps You may have credited the 2nd to Desert War incorrectly, I think that was Haradasun, after the Doncaster win?? I might be confused...
i dunno OILSY... i rate him a champion mate... what he has achieved already gives him rights to that tag... you will always have different classes of champions like MAKYBE, but i think he deserves his tag... what a horse!!
As for not coming up from his heady 3yrold days i dont believe that for a second mate... HUSSONET through HELLISSIO... geez mate he has to get better as he gets older doesnt he... he reminds me of SUNLINE for some reason!
I stand corrected it was Haradsun.
I think it is so good that what one person thinks is a champion the other person doesn't.That what this game is all about opinions.I love the horse game.
I love it too OILSY...
Different levels of champion makes sense, Hussler is a champ of his generation, and he's not necesarily finished yet!! At the very least, he will be remembered as a great horse. The likes of The Diva are ALL TIME champs.
If we all had the same opinion on horses, we'd never get a price off the bookies haha
yes he's a champion in his own right. he will have a long career racing against the best of the best and i reckon as he gets older he'l get more distance too. they all get beat at some stage so his followers like myself just have to move on and look forward to his next start:)
I'm going to leave it to Kevin Skene from Trakdata to express my views:
"Perhaps setting Weekend Hussler for an almost impossible task last Spring (a sprinter-miler was never going to win Two Cups and a Cox Plate) has totally ruined his future. I will remember him as a great 3YO when others have forgotten.
But best of all, I will no longer have to hear anyone trying to declare him the best horse for fifty years going into the future, with unsubstantiated claims."
he only had the 6 starts in that spring campaign over a 2 month period and won 3 of them up to 1800m. you can't say that "setting" him for the 3 big races has ruined his future because he only bloody ran in one of them! gee whiz people are quick to jump off a horse when its down! hes been the victim of a couple of bad rides, he's got a back injury which cripples a horse so that it cant lenghten stride when called for which was obvious on sat. he was absolutly gone on the turn but still only got beat 4 lenghts by the runaway winner when he's running in pain. i hope they get him right and he goes over 2 dubai and floggs em!!!
I reckon he'll be ok, seriously I am not going to judge a horse on it's last 2 runs when it has not got a clear passage in a straight race and has gone 4 wide for a whole race.
MightyHussler let me clearly state that I'm not knocking the horse - I think he's proved himself to be a Champion 3yo. His run in the George Ryder was phenomenal.
My point is that the training regime he was subject to in setting him for the Cups and CP has taken away his brilliance at sprint races and possibly up to his optimal distance of 1600m.
I truly hope I'm wrong and that he regains his best form.
Ps: don't blame the jockey
MightyHussler, I'm with you - They quickly get the superstar tag, and "pride comes before a fall", they become easy targets when they lose a couple, and even then Hussler hasn't been disgraced. You can only get the superstar tag one way - by winning. His wins stand for themselves, and he has a couple of seasons to add to the tally.
I am looking forward to watching the next couple of preps...............we might get some nice prices for a brilliant, tough, G1 proven horse that has beaten good sprinters, good milers, and the best of his generation........????? .........He can yet rank with the Occy's and Diva's, whose to say????
i understand exactly what you are saying toptipster and i hope he comes out and proves the doubters wrong:)
i will blame or criticise a jockey when ther is blame or criticism to be given and ther has been the last two rides.
toptipster - I agree 100%, don't blame the jockey, but I'd like to see D. Oliver or M. Rodd ride it and see what they felt/thought/etc.........
too right dr.whiz, good to see we're on the same page about the hussler:)
I'd love to own him mate..............he has only "failed" in relation to the standard and expectation he has set. In his first 12 months or so of racing he took care of the best 3yo boys in Syd and Melb, he sorted out Magnus, Swick, and the older horses over the sprints., then he won the George Ryder!!!!!!!!!!
That's exactly right Dr. Whiz. He is still producing above average times, just not quite to the same standard he has done in the past.