Those punters who have slammed brigantin into 10s for the cup are crazy if it needs to win this race to get in , a 7 horse field with one of the worst jocks on in the world .. Yes the rissole is hopeless I have seen him ride at hong kong plenty of times and he's a shocker , he was on some good cattle in hk and had no initive or idea where the rail is , not a pimple on dettori's ar$e !!! By the sounds of it the horse is very smart but beware the jock is my point in a small field and having to win to get in the cup one mistake and the chance is gone ... Reallly if it wins the GC by a length I think it will come into $8 or $9 for M.C so don't touch the $10 now ... Very risky IMO ...
Hey everyone. Read the forums on this site for ages and finally decided to sign up. I think the horse a lot of people have forgotten about, present company excluded, is Maluckyday. I love Brigantin but think he'll need this run and I've heard Gatewood isn't 100%.
Hi mate, yes have heard Gatewood & Tac De Boistron have some issue's, but if they start would have to assume they are well?? I don't like the race personally. Agree with YorkshireTip, Brigantin and TDB will show better over further.
Tac de Boistron has only beaten Brigantin on wet tracks. Brigantin hasn't won on rain affected ground. He needs it dry and looks like he gets that tomorrow. Reports are he is low flying in track work. Umberto Rispoli won a race in France on Arc night. Has won races all over the world. I will reserve judgment on him until I see him in action tomorrow. Andre Fabre wouldn't replace his leading jockey with a bad one. Brigantin will be warming up late, hopefully not too late to run over the top of them and earn 0.5kg to get him into cup field.
Good stuff guys. As much as I'd like to see Maluckyday and Exceptionally finish first/second, my brain (what's left) says Brigantin and Tac de Boistron for the Quinella.
They just seem to be the class of the field, and as Jove points out, they've had their share of recent battles. Also, weights have had little bearing for Geelong Cup winners. The best horse that day, regardless of weight, seems to consistently win. Dunaden and Americain were the top-weights when they won.
Another interesting Geelong Cup fact, recent favourites don't have a winning record, but at the same time they almost always finish in the top three, mostly taking second.
Spot on Jove re Brigantin & Tac De Boistron. Brigantin is a better quality horse than TBD, who needs it wet. If he gains a start in the Melb Cup and the track comes up slow or heavy he'd be a lightweight chance otherwise Brigantin is the one you want to be on. Maluckyday is 21st in the order of entry as it stands today. With horses like Southern Speed, Mawingo, Polish Night & Drunken Sailor all almost certain to come out he is safely in the field at 17th. Who can come in ? Geelong Cup winner, Bendigo Cup winner, Saab Quality winner, Mackinnon Stakes winner and Cox Plate winner (Green Moon). Even if all thoses winners are below Maluckyday on the order of entry he still gets in which says to me he's only in the Geelong Cup for the run just to see where they have him fitness wise ??
Brigantin would need a kilo to guarantee him a start in the cup, 0.5kg and he could still potentially miss out, event though that's unlikely. Melb, I believe Maluckyday is in fact already 15th in order of entry...unless I'm missing something? I think Gatewood looks the one to beat, with Maluckyday and Exceptionally chances with fitness on their side. For mine it looks a terrible betting race, unlikely to be any value in the multiples and with no third dividend I say forget it.
Brigantin boasts superior form to Gatewood imo. He boasts a win over Dunaden & Opinion Poll, he ran 2nd behind Joshua Tree last time, beating Shahwardi. Both have franked the form since with last start wins. Maybe the 2400m is a little short of his best. 2 miles will suit him perfectly but he's got to get into the race.
i think your haven't studied hard enough boys have a look at tacs last win he gave brigantine and shawardi wind burn.....if he wins melbourne cup ....i will be taking a early xmas holiday...good luck on the punt boys follow my tips ...i have a couple coming up ....as my tips will only be given to ..asked punters...
@ melbman ,IMO form over there doesn't matter, Jukebox Jury who ran in the melbourne cup IN 2011 had such good form but couldn't beat home Hawk Island... Its the way they come here. They might strive here or just be "shit" here. You have to wait and see.
I am seriously considering Maluckyday for the win, I am liking him at $9! or is it the case in which it is looking for the run before the melbourne cup and they wont risk any extra weight with a geelong cup win? thoughts??
You have to be on Brigantin (well I am, so I hope I am right). Condition are ideal. Rival trainers rate him. Needs to win to be a hope of a Melbourne Cup start. Odds are not great - but I am backing him here, so that if he wins he will be my third bet in the Melbourne Cup. My MC bets in order, would then be 1. Americain 2. Dunedan 3. Brigantin 4. Red Cadeaux 5. Green Moon.
The risk is whether he will be one of the imports that performs here or not. I dont know ... my gut is saying he will. Hope so.
Wish I was in Melbourne!! I think that next year I must make the trip over - yeah I definitely will!! Such a great time of year in Melbourne. I hope for those of you who are there that you all have a great few weeks!
dont know why everyone likes Brigantin, has 2 mile and further form, even the trainer said he would be better suited over 3200m - 4000m. Gatewood is a proven 2400m specialist, but cant go much further so if he wins today, dont back him for the cup as he wont get the trip, never been past 1m4f1/2
Might not be a case of liking Brigantin so much as it may be that several of the other horses won't benefit from a win, only the run. Brigantin and Gatewood both need the victory, but Gatewood needs even more than that, he needs to pull a Frankel (4.5 lengths?). This could lead to over-extending, and based off his last start there's other concerns?