Boycott Hong Kong
All australian trainers should Boycott Hong Kong. What they have done to Munce is a disgrace i say lets organise a petition for all trainers to stay clear of there.
Australian jockeys should boycott from riding over there as well
I giggled when I read Kenny Callenders view of the potential HKJC/AJC war - "Are they going to stop pinching our trainers, jockeys, horses and yearlings...you beauty" is basically how he sees it.
And quite frankly, the locals can do what they lke in regards to the HKJC ban, as the HKJC can do what they like in regards to what happens here. Sometimes raceclubs/sportsclubs respect the decision of others, often they don't. This is not a new situation, and it won't be the first time an egotistical suit wearer has pissed off one of righteous stewards or administrators.
War? more like hot air and wet lettuce at 10 paces.
Yes of course you are right CHILLI --- but not so much in Hong Kong hey LLLOL
im not too concerned about organized crime in racing,they will always be around in all forms of gambling,one thing i would like someone to look into,is where managers of jockeys have more than one rider in a race,there as certainly been some dodgy results in provincial races in brizvegas over the years.....
Actually who if anyone has ever made a written complaint to Stewards or a Racing Authority about a Particular losing performance ( deemed Deliberate ) instead of just sitting back and copping it . With an email or Fax a complaint could be registered within minutes . Once the Authorities realise Punters are not inactive ingnorant slobs they may pick their game up a lot . What would happen if you directed your complaint straight to POLICE under the Gaming ACT .
Just catching up with the posts on this thread, In answer to Chilli who asked if the Hong Kong Stewards quiz jockeys! My word they do - and TRAINERS TOO!. In almost EVERY race they PROD and PROBE.
Just to give you an example, here is an extract from the stewards report last Sunday November 30, Race 7
D Beadman (VIKING TOR) explained he had been told the horse did not show its usual speed at its most recent race start. He said he was instructed to ride the horse in a prominent position from a wide gate and if possible with cover behind the lead. He said he had never previously ridden VIKING TOR in track work or in a race and during the preliminary he noted the horse to be a little restricted in its action.
He said however he was not unduly concerned about this. He said from its wide barrier VIKING TOR began fairly, however, despite being ridden along vigorously hands and heels did not show natural speed and in his opinion appeared somewhat reluctant to stride out. He said because of this after the 1300 Metres he commenced to ride VIKING TOR along with the whip to have the horse take up the bridle and travel into a forward position.
He said at the 1200 Metres it became apparent to him that he would not be able to obtain a position with cover behind the lead and therefore to avoid travelling in a four wide position he continued to ride VIKING TOR along to cross to the fence in the lead making the turn at the 800 Metres.
He said while he was aware that he had made considerable use of VIKING TOR in the early stages of the race, he felt this was a better option in the interest of the horse rather than travelling four wide outside the lead without cover.
He said after crossing to the fence he then steadied the tempo on VIKING TOR and the horse travelled fairly. He said in the Straight VIKING TOR kept on well considering the use which had been made of it in the early stages. He did say the manner in which VIKING TOR travelled indicated to him clearly it was better suited on a more forgiving track than that of today.
Mr D J Hall, trainer of VIKING TOR, confirmed the riding instructions issued to D Beadman. He said he initially was surprised to see the horse being made use of to race in the lead. He said immediately following the race D Beadman explained to him the horse appeared reluctant to show early speed, the same as at its most recent start.
He said D Beadman also explained to him because of this he rode the horse vigorously in the early stages in an endeavour to have it travel in a forward position. Mr Hall said after reviewing the official videos of the race he accepted the reasons for D Beadman riding VIKING TOR in the manner in which he did.
He did say VIKING TOR is a horse with a history of joint problems which required constant attention. He said because of these problems VIKING TOR does not on occasions stride out fully in its action.
The last line of the stewards report says it all . . . . .
Mr Hall and D Beadman were told their explanations would be reported and should at any time the Stewards wish to revisit the riding of VIKING TOR, they will do so.
You can see the race here, Race 7
Another major spanking for a trainers was on Saturday Nov 8 Race 6
Read the spankiing the Hong Kong Stewards gave trainer Y S Tsui!
When questioned regarding the poor performance of COSMO SUCCESSOR today as compared to when the horse was successful at its most recent start, G Mosse explained the early sections of today’s race were run at a quicker tempo than when the horse was able to lead and dictate at its last start.
He said from barrier 10 COSMO SUCCESSOR began well, he allowed the horse to stride forward and cross to race outside the lead. He said COSMO SUCCESSOR travelled satisfactorily, however, when placed under pressure kept on one-paced until approaching the 200 Metres at which point the horse commenced to give ground. He said in his opinion the stronger tempo of the early stages of today’s race was responsible for the poor performance of COSMO SUCCESSOR.
Mr Y S Tsui, trainer of the horse, said he gave COSMO SUCCESSOR the same chance in today’s race as they did when it was successful last start in that he believed it would perform competitively. He said COSMO SUCCESSOR was suited at its most recent start by being able to dictate the race from the front with an unchallenged lead. He said given the early sectionals, too much use would have been required to be made of COSMO SUCCESSOR to cross to the lead and in his opinion the horse does not perform to its best when ridden in this manner.
G Mosse and Mr Tsui were told their explanations would be reported. Mr Tsui was told the turnaround in performances of COSMO SUCCESSOR and the contrasting betting support of the horse in the two races did not reflect well upon him and that he has a responsibility to do all that he can to ensure horses trained by him perform consistently.
He was also told the performances of COSMO SUCCESSOR in both races remain of concern to the Stewards and if they at any stage in the future believe it is necessary to revisit them, they will do so.
The performance of COSMO SUCCESSOR was considered unacceptable. Before being allowed to race again, COSMO SUCCESSOR will be required to perform to the satisfaction of the Stewards in an official barrier trial and be subjected to an official veterinary examination. COSMO SUCCESSOR was sent for an official veterinary inspection. A veterinary inspection of COSMO SUCCESSOR after the race did not show any significant findings.
Due vigilance to the extreme being shown in that example DEANJOHN Indeed. At least they want to keep it clean.
bloody hell... that is the sh#t DJ... They would kill them over here... no wonder BEADMAN loves it over there...
They also don't acceopt all the 1000 excuses a jockey or trainer gives for a bad run. They just say tough titties . . . you are not going to be permitted to run again until you perform satisfactorily in a trial.
And the trainers hate to have to trial their horses.
Also trainers who do not have a win strike rate of more than 10% at the end of a season are warned that if they don't improve they will be expelled from Hong Kong - run out of town on the sugar rail!
AUSSIE JOCKEYS AND TRAINERS GET AWAY WITH MUREDER HERE!
Many more "Trainers" here than in Honkers though DJ. All of the Freedman's eventually became accreditted trainers although it is still Lee that runs the show. Chucking out any trainer in Australia that had a less than 10% strike rate would be counter-productive wouldn't you reckon.
All for keeping racing clean mind you.
Yes you are right Cracka. Perhaps I didn't explain that too well - I was more saying that the Hong Kong Stewards put the trainers under more pressure than here because any trainer would jump at the chance to train in Hong Kong: the rewards are so good, you can set yourself up for life.
So knowing that they could be asked to leave if they have been reported a few times for inconsistent performances, and they fall below the minumum criteria for success - it does make a trainer work harder for success.
The other major difference between here and Hong Kong was demonstrated at Sha Tin last Sunday week when champion trainer John Moore's 10/1 chance Medico upset his more fancied stablemate Eyeshall.
Eyshal was a dominant HK$2.70 favourite and looked the winner of the 2,000 metres race when he charged to the front in the straight, but could not withstand the powerful late surge of the conservatively ridden Medico, handled by Zac Purton
In such a strong betting environment like Hong Kong, no trainer likes getting his order of preference wrong, and Moore was as adamant after the race as he was before it that Eyshal is the better prospect. And I agree - run the race 100 times Eyeshall would win most of them - he just had the hardest run on the day.
In stark contrast to here where you might see the likes of say Gai Waterhouse or any number of the top trainers here, have 3 or 4 runners in a race - and how often does the OUTSIDER of the bunch win!!
The trainers here either don't have any idea who is the best horse - - - or you agreee with the Judge who says Aussie trainers are more interested in training their horses to provide big price winners to benefit those closely associated with the stable!
The Hong Kong Jockey Club has responded to Racing NSW's decision to licence Munce. Stand by for more!
Australia risks ostracism from international series racing and the future of commingling of bets is in limbo after Mr Winfried Engelbrecht-Bresges, the Chief Executive Officer of the Hong Kong Jockey Club confirmed yesterday it will take a "measured and step-by-step approach" to renewing pressure on Racing NSW to uphold jockey Chris Munce's 30-month ban from racing.
You can read in full what he says here
you may need to copy and past the above link into your browser
In a war between the Hong Kong Jockey Club and Peter V'landys of NSW - my money is on the HKJC to give V'Landys the SPANKING HE SO RICHLY DESERVES!
What duristiction do the HKJC have here? None as far as i can see, they should keep their noses out of this now that he's in our Counrty it doesn't concern them.
AT THE END OF THE DAY,COMMON SENSE WON.
WELL DONE TO PETER V'LANDYS.
TO THE HONG KONG JOCKEY CLUB-----MOVE ON..
CHRIS MUNCE WILL BE RIDING AGAIN NEXT FRIDAY.
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN---GET OVER IT.
WELL SAID tevez17,
KEEP THEIR NOSES OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.
WHO NEEDS THEIR RACING ANYWAY............
I am afraid EachWay - it's not the end of the day by a long shot! I've just been ON LINE to a press conference given by The Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Jockey Club and I will be back to report once I have a transcript.
I hope Peter V'Landys gets a copy - - - it's going to "make" his weekend!
There's nothing the HKJC can do.
Peter V'Landys will have the support of all the racing boards in Australia.
Munce has done the time.
Let's all move on now and back some good winners.
Seriously.. how many of us as punters care what Hong Kong does. As long as we have some aussie races to punt on WE ARE HAPPY end of story. If they decide they don't want our trainers/jockeys/horses thats all good by me just strengthens our races. Storm in teacup for me.
Once a cheat!! it's hard enough trying to pick a winner on the horse's merits without having to factor in if the jock has recieved a 'donation' or backed something else in the same race, he's done it there & got caught, this time round maybe he'll be a bit more discreet... greed is a dangerous beast..
100% right Tipstar.
We have the excellent racing here and Hong Kong has nothing on our racing.
There might be more money for jockeys and trainers there,just ask Chris!!!!
WELCOME BACK CHRIS MUNCE.
"Near anarchy!" Queensland Racing Limited (QRL) chairman Bob Bentley has described the decision by Racing NSW to grant Chris Munce a riding licence as "near anarchy".
Read the full report here
NEAR ANARCHY. "Bring me V'Landys HEAD ON A PLATE!"
Hi sirkingston. Thanks for the query. I will answer it on my "Hong Kong with DeanJohng" in thread. Go here
THE HONG KONG JOCKEY CLUB WILL NOT TAKE THIS LYING DOWN!
Unfortunately for Mr Peter V’Landys of NSW, I am afraid I don’t think he is going to be Chief Exective of NSW Racing for much longer! No great loss if you ask me!
Mr Winfried Engelbrecht-Bresges, the Chief Executive Officer of the Hong Kong Jockey Club has made these additional comments.
” The Jockey Club will not withdraw licences of Australian riders in Hong Kong, but there will be questions over future licensees, and the Global Sprint Challenge, Asian Mile Challenge and future commingling of bets may be affected.
“The jockeys should not be punished for something they have not done, but our concern is that, if there is a breach of the rules will we again face the situation that Australian authorities will please themselves about whether penalties are upheld?
“As for series racing and commingling, we have to ask how can we co-operate if there is no sense of co-operation on both sides?
“The Hong Kong Jockey Club has engaged senior legal counsel to investigate, and we are taking other paths to put pressure on Racing NSW's obligations under Article 10 of the International Agreement on Breeding, Racing and Wagering.
“We want to take a measured and step-by-step approach and the first thing will be to request reciprocation by other licensing bodies within Australia. Secondly, we will ask for clarification from the Australian Racing Board, a signatory to Article 10, on the claim that Racing NSW is not a signatory to the agreement. If ARB does not speak for all racing jurisdictions there, then there is no agreement at all.
“The International Federation of Horseracing Authorities (IFHA), the peak world authority, had been briefed, as have all members of the executive committee of the Asian Racing Federation (ARF).
“Other ARF jurisdictions will be asked to endorse the disqualification and we will formulate where we go after that. If they endorse the ban, this will be communicated to Racing NSW. This reciprocity of penalties across jurisdictions is a cornerstone of the integrity of horse racing. If you look at the wording of Article 10, there is no discretion. If we cannot establish this then the whole international agreement goes back to zero. What will happen if others take the same attitude?
“By pleading guilty and then not appealing, Munce has accepted his guilt and also the penalty. Racing NSW has not respected the judicial process and, in light of remarks by its chief executive, even before the stewards' hearing was concluded, there is the perception that minds were made up”